Summer Project - Input Very Welcome

[Annie Roonie]

There's been a community garden in my back yard and this is the last year for it. They've given up on one large circular bed and I hope to turn it into my magical mediation spot.



I have very little money to accomplish this and there is much work to do as you can see form the pic as it is now below. I like the challenge of it.

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This is looking east. (Click on it for larger.)

The work I will do on my own and it will serve as a kind of meditation for me. But when I am done weeding, tilling, and scraping the center for a more level pea gravel surface, I will want to begin planning and saving for the plants to encircle the space.

The north side will need to be a privacy hedge, but the rest is really at the brainstorming stage for me. So if you have any ideas, I sure would love to read them!

The area gets full sun after mid morning and is in a lower spot in the yard, so it gets plenty of moisture most years. Things grow big there. When they first made it, it was fertilized with alpaca dung and a truckload of great compost. I am a little nervous about digging out the prickly weed that has grown taller than I am in just this season. It's a weed tree!

Right now the circle is about 27" in diameter, but with careful tilling I'll try to reduce the size a bit and shape it and the openings more precisely. I am not getting my hopes up that I will be able to plant much this year. I'll need to save. And once I know which plants to use, I can get creative about finding them.

I am unsure how important it might be placing plants at specific direction points, but then I've never tried it. If you have any wisdom regarding that, it would be sweet to read! I'm aiming for all perennials and hopefully some herbs that will winter well in zone 6.

Really, any thoughts anyone has about what to put there or what to avoid would be great! Oh yeah, wild peppermint is growing like mad there too. I may keep that and try to tame it. Thoughts on that? Losing battle or worthy cause?

I have no money to give you, but I did make this collage for you of the many flowering plants that are blooming around this area now:

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Clock wise from top left: white baneberry, foxglove beardtongue, birdsfoot trefoil, tiger lilies, hairy winter vetch, purple crown vetch, great or common mullein, moth mullein, ox eye daisy and everlasting pea. And a heron in the middle for good measure.

Thanks for any time you can give helping me brainstorm this project!

[Annie Roonie]

magical mediation spot....
as you can see form the pic

Errors too late spotted to edit. Apologies. And also for responding to my own post.

I also meant to ask if anyone had ideas about the shape or placement of openings.

I'm hoping for eventual blocking of the street and neighbor noise both sound and energy, so I am toying with how I want the openings to work.

[LadyBug]

Thanks for any time you can give helping me brainstorm this project!

OH! I so want to spend hours typing up some kind of helpful information! But its 4 AM and I really must sleep.
I have just a few questions for you though!

• Do you plan on having a circular bed?
• Is it a solid bed or will it be open in the middle? (Or possibly have access 'paths' leading to a flat rock or wooden platform on which to meditate?)
• How tall and/or dense do you want the North privacy hedge to be?
• Are you going for a formal or informal look?
• How do you plan on controlling weeds?
• Do you want to use a ground cover plant?
• If yes to the above, would you consider using Strawberry as a ground cover? (It is a curiosity thing of mine. I don't see why people don't use it as a functional ground cover more often! )
• On the subject of functional plants, would you consider using vegetables as annual plants to get the most out of your space? (Some veggies are pretty AND delicious!)
• Do you want to attract butterflies, hummingbirds and such or do you specifically want to avoid plants that do so?
• Will you possibly use the mint that is already there for anything? (Tea and such possibly?)

Oh wow. I didn't realize how many questions were there. I hope you don't find me nosey for them, but there are probably going to be a few more once I sleep and think it over (that is, if you don't mind an ambitious kid helping you out a bit of course) Give the ones I thought up some thought maybe?

~LadyBug

[Annie Roonie]

OH! I so want to spend hours typing up some kind of helpful information! But its 4 AM and I really must sleep.
I have just a few questions for you though!

Shot, this is helpful as is. Answering it has given me some ideas already! Thank you for the input!

• Do you plan on having a circular bed?
• Is it a solid bed or will it be open in the middle? (Or possibly have access 'paths' leading to a flat rock or wooden platform on which to meditate?)
• How tall and/or dense do you want the North privacy hedge to be?
• Are you going for a formal or informal look?
• How do you plan on controlling weeds?
• Do you want to use a ground cover plant?
• If yes to the above, would you consider using Strawberry as a ground cover? (It is a curiosity thing of mine. I don't see why people don't use it as a functional ground cover more often! )
• On the subject of functional plants, would you consider using vegetables as annual plants to get the most out of your space? (Some veggies are pretty AND delicious!)
• Do you want to attract butterflies, hummingbirds and such or do you specifically want to avoid plants that do so?
• Will you possibly use the mint that is already there for anything? (Tea and such possibly?)

There will be two beds actually. Two crescents encircling an open middle. That is the way it is now in general, but I can work it into a more precise shape.

The center will be dug and leveled more and smoothed. Then weed prevention netting of some sort & pea gravel. It should be a nice 19-20' diameter open space.

The space between the crescents will be the openings to the center, but I can do different things with that.

I'd like the north privacy hedge to be 6 ft tall in a year.

I am going informal but with precision. I'd like to have an interesting and meaningful (at least to me) variety of plants, but I'd also like to be able to enter the circle and spend an hour or two maintaining them, not five.

I plant to keep the weeds down by being a madwoman to start and eradicating what is there and then keeping up with it. For at least two more years, I'll also have A, the eight year old next door who I can pay 10$ a week to weed for me. (He'd pay me. He gets so bored in summer. He begged to help.) I am putting news papers and netting down for the center, and I may also use something like this for the south crescent raised bed.

I DO want to use ground cover. The peppermint is there I will use that and transplant/spread it to the south end. Maybe it can flow through and over the little retaining wall I'll build.

I do have wild strawberries going mad and they crack me up. So yeah! I'll use those. I think they'll like it. Neat idea. They can go on the eastern edge. I wonder if they will over take things or if they'll act as they do on the trail with tree and just chill at the base. Hmm.

I've got too much backyard. That's why I let the community gardens have it for 5 years. So for veggies and the like, I have plenty of other beds and space to use.

I DO like the idea of butterfly and bird friendly plants very much! There are many native to this area and I hope to be able to find some of them. There is an insanely good smelling viburnum variety that grows nearby on a trail. I am going to stop a range the next time I see one to find out what it is.

Oh wow. I didn't realize how many questions were there. I hope you don't find me nosey for them, but there are probably going to be a few more once I sleep and think it over (that is, if you don't mind an ambitious kid helping you out a bit of course) Give the ones I thought up some thought maybe?

~LadyBug

I am totally giving them thought! Thank you so much! I do not find you nosey in the slightest. Once I decided to do this and began thinking about it, I realized that I was going to need some help with the ideas and planning of plants.

I have some pics I was going to use to blog about the spot that describe it more. I decided not to blog about it until I finished painting the fence and can begin work on it. One outside project at a time is all I can handle physically. If they give you any ideas and you feel like hollering back, awesome.


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[Erinnightwalker]

I have a few different types of mint, if you want a groundcover you can walk on that is ridiculously hardy. The pineapple mint is varigated cream and green (little smell), the chocolate mint is delicious and likes to hug the ground (so does the orange mint). Lemon balm is super invasive but hardy and tasty. It does prefer to go tall though. (All these mints are invasive, as a matter of fact.)

You can get self-seeding violas (johnny jump ups spring to mind). Chamomile also self-seeds and smells good when crushed. Narcissus is good if you like the smell. Naked lady lilies are also good (so named because they generally bloom once all the leaves have died. During the summer they are a mound of long blade-leaves.) Most you'll have to do with these is weed, collect dead leaves in the fall, and occasionally thin them.

I don't know if they'll grow out there but holly hocks and tree peonies grow tall and make good screens, and come in several colors. If nothing else you can build a trellis or a wall and plant morning glories all over it (which also self seed. We had them on the fence for years until we forgot to water them one summer >.>). Morning glories also come in lots of colors, and you can get the related moonflower for nighttime garden enjoyment.

Which brings me to a question- when are you going to be meditating in this garden? If you're doing it at midday I hope you have sunscreen XD But it's something to consider- if you'll be going out to meditate in the morning, you'll probably want some flowers that bloom early (like morning glories, for example). If you'll be going out more towards the evening, find some flowers that open later or stay open all day. If you don't know when, maybe plant some tall things for shade around where you'll be sitting. Stuff like that.

[Annie Roonie]

Which brings me to a question- when are you going to be meditating in this garden? If you're doing it at midday I hope you have sunscreen XD But it's something to consider- if you'll be going out to meditate in the morning, you'll probably want some flowers that bloom early (like morning glories, for example). If you'll be going out more towards the evening, find some flowers that open later or stay open all day. If you don't know when, maybe plant some tall things for shade around where you'll be sitting. Stuff like that.

Good gravy Mavie! You have given me so much to think about!

I am going to keep the mint that is there, but that doesn't meant I can't expand in years to come. Lemon balm sounds perfect actually. There's a saint I'd like to plant something for and he likes the lemon scent according to one book (St. Clement). I am so keeping my eyes open for it!

When I read chamomile I went a bit bonkers and squealed! I can plant tea! Holy majoly I did not think of that! An article says it is hardy to zone 8 so I should be all good here in 6. :happy dance:

I had thought that my stubborn morning glory vine was almost spiteful. I have had no use for it and I cannot get rid of it. It does bloom at night when I let it grow enough to get a bloom. Hmm. I may have to make friends with it. Gods know I've mended enough fences due to their subtle persistent pulls. But looking at the holly hocks and the tree peonies has me wide eyed. I have not seen many of them in person around here. How lovely they are! The list to research gets longer. Sweet!

Meditation in summers will likely happen in the mid morning or in the wee hours of the morning. Sun block is a staple here, but I was hoping that eventually the hedge would provide some shade too.

Oh thank you so much! These ideas were exactly the kind of brainstorming I was hoping for both yours and LadyBug's. I will be surfing quite a bit this week to investigate these things.

Now I cannot wait to finish the fence and get to weeding those crescents! I think with this kind of inspiration, I will not fear the prickly weed tree as much.

[Erinnightwalker]

Thenk yew, I'll be here all week! *bows*

If you want lemon balm I can send you some seeds, or better yet a clipping. I got my start from a half-dead clipping in water and now it has taken over the yard XD It does tend to exhaust the ground fairly quickly; if you want to keep it at a dull roar plant it somewhere with medium to poor soil and trim off the flowers as soon as you can. Its ridiculous how far the damn stuff spreads from seed Generally the first year will be a big flush (mine made leaves 4 inches long, no lie) and the following years more restrained as it eats up the soil.

When you buy the chamomile make sure you buy the edible kind. I'm drawing a blank on what kind I planted. I know there is german and roman. The kind I got makes a big wispy bush and smells like sweet apple when you crush the flowers and greenery. Delicious.

If you get two posts and drive them into the ground and string some scrap hog wire or cyclone fencing between them, then train morning glories up them you have an instant and very good screen that no one thinks of as a screen. Around here the flowers seem to react more to heat than time; they'd open in the morning when it was cool then close until evening. Another interesting thing about morning glory is that it's related to High John the Conqueror root (the actual root is from wild morning glories, also known as bindweed).

Tree peonies I can't help you with, but holly hocks I can- we have one that is a dusty pink deepening to red pink in the center, and a purpley-maroon-black one. I also have seeds for four o' clocks, another pretty and ridiculously easy to grow plant that reseeds fairly well. The ones we have here are yellow and a bright pink-maroon, either solidly one color or a marbling of the two.

I'm glad to have helped ^_^ I even have some advice about the weed tree, since I think I recognize it-lop it off about a foot up from the ground (so it doesn't flop around and get you with the stickers while you're pulling), then grab a hold of the stub in the heaviest gloves you have and pull. You can whack it off at the ground with a hoe, too, if you don't mind leaving the root in. If you really want to get it all out and you have hard soil, water around it an hour or so before you weed. It may be a bit muddy but it helps the root to release the dirt. If its the same kind I think it is it will bleed white latex-sticky-sap from any cut or wound, so if you are sensitive to such stuff, beware.

[yewberry]

When you buy the chamomile make sure you buy the edible kind. I'm drawing a blank on what kind I planted. I know there is german and roman. The kind I got makes a big wispy bush and smells like sweet apple when you crush the flowers and greenery. Delicious.

German and Roman chamomile are two different genus (Matricaria recutita, an annual, and Anthemis nobilis, a perennial, respectively). Both have the distinctive chamomile scent and flavor, though, which is why the common name is used for both. There's also the weedy but delicious pineapple weed (Matricaria discoidea), a common resident of compacted soils all over the US.

Brina

[veggiewolf]

...Another interesting thing about morning glory is that it's related to High John the Conqueror root (the actual root is from wild morning glories, also known as bindweed).
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Holy cow - bindweed (my nemesis) has some use??? I may now be sorry I sicced raspberries on it.

Berry canes 1, bindweed 0.

[Erinnightwalker]

Holy cow - bindweed (my nemesis) has some use??? I may now be sorry I sicced raspberries on it.

Berry canes 1, bindweed 0.

Oh yeah. I about shat myself when I realized I'm basically sitting in an epicenter for High John roots. It grows everywhere here