Gay Danish Couples win right to marry in church

[Skyth]

Uh, no. You would need to compare kids in homes of stable gay couples with kids from stable straight couples. Then control for social and economic stuff.

That would have the most apples to apples comparison. I was just saying that it would be interesting seeing the results of having a study as biased but in the other direction.

From a stability point of view, lesbians with kids are worse than gay men with kids;

I read the other thing from the article. Could be wrong though, but I thought it said that no children stayed full time with gay parents, but some did with lesbian parents.

Uh, you are presuming that most of the US is anti-gay. The article only said that they were not concentrated in the few coastal cities with large gay populations (SF, NYC). Doesn't say they were mostly in hicksville, TX as opposed to say Austin, TX or Moonshine, GA as opposed to the Atlanta Georgia metro area.

In other words, the couples that lived in gay-friendly areas don't have as many kids. That means that more kids are in non-gay friendly areas. Besides, I'd say it's reasonable to say that a kid in Atlanta with homosexual parents is more likely to be bullied and have the bullying be more severe than the same kid in San Fransisco.

This is besides the fact that the anti-homosexual movement will make life more stressful for the couples in non-gay friendly areas which will lead to less stability in the relationships. You could probably do the same study with any unpopular minority and have the kids come from a less stable home and come out worse off.

[mandrina]

Uh, no. You would need to compare kids in homes of stable gay couples with kids from stable straight couples. Then control for social and economic stuff.

From a stability point of view, lesbians with kids are worse than gay men with kids; although the sexual abuse numbers mentioned in the article need amplification.

Uh, you are presuming that most of the US is anti-gay. The article only said that they were not concentrated in the few coastal cities with large gay populations (SF, NYC). Doesn't say they were mostly in hicksville, TX as opposed to say Austin, TX or Moonshine, GA as opposed to the Atlanta Georgia metro area.

I can't really say it the way I want to, but most of the US isn't really gayfriendly. Gay tolerant is the best I can come up with. not accepting, but tolerant. Tolerant is all you need to get samesex marriage, but not enough to
not have to deal with extra stuff. Just not quite as much extra stuff as they would in a gayunfriendly area.
I think that makes sense. let me go think on it awhile.

[MadZealot]

I can't really say it the way I want to, but most of the US isn't really gayfriendly. Gay tolerant is the best I can come up with. not accepting, but tolerant. Tolerant is all you need to get samesex marriage, but not enough to
not have to deal with extra stuff. Just not quite as much extra stuff as they would in a gayunfriendly area.
I think that makes sense. let me go think on it awhile.

Hey, I get it.

[sailor]

I read the other thing from the article. Could be wrong though, but I thought it said that no children stayed full time with gay parents, but some did with lesbian parents.



In other words, the couples that lived in gay-friendly areas don't have as many kids. That means that more kids are in non-gay friendly areas. Besides, I'd say it's reasonable to say that a kid in Atlanta with homosexual parents is more likely to be bullied and have the bullying be more severe than the same kid in San Fransisco.

This is besides the fact that the anti-homosexual movement will make life more stressful for the couples in non-gay friendly areas which will lead to less stability in the relationships. You could probably do the same study with any unpopular minority and have the kids come from a less stable home and come out worse off.

The lesbians and stability integrates info from this article and one I didn't link to. The break up rate for lesbians is huge, it dwarfs the hetero-sexual divorce rate, while gay men are the stablest.

But yes, the above article mentions that the longest time kids spent with a gay parent was 2 kids who spent something like 3 years with their lesbian mother and her wife / lover.

[Skyth]

The lesbians and stability integrates info from this article and one I didn't link to. The break up rate for lesbians is huge, it dwarfs the hetero-sexual divorce rate, while gay men are the stablest.

How does it compare to hetero relationships though? Comparing break-up rate to divorce rate is not an apples to apples comparison.

[sailor]

How does it compare to hetero relationships though? Comparing break-up rate to divorce rate is not an apples to apples comparison.

I'll try and find the article again. I think they looked at registered domestic partnerships in a number of States, and actual marriages in MA and a few other places in the US. So it's not break up rates.

[Skyth]

I'll try and find the article again. I think they looked at registered domestic partnerships in a number of States, and actual marriages in MA and a few other places in the US. So it's not break up rates.

Okay. That sounds more like an apples to apples comparison. However, I wonder how much of the stress from outside disapproval from a nontraditional union contributed to the break-ups.

Granted, the lesbian and the gay numbers would be similar then, and lesbians are more accepted in this culture than gays are. Kind of rules out discriminatory based stress contributing unless other things factor in (Were more gays in a gay-friendly place as compared to lesbians, etc. )

[sailor]

Okay. That sounds more like an apples to apples comparison. However, I wonder how much of the stress from outside disapproval from a nontraditional union contributed to the break-ups.

Granted, the lesbian and the gay numbers would be similar then, and lesbians are more accepted in this culture than gays are. Kind of rules out discriminatory based stress contributing unless other things factor in (Were more gays in a gay-friendly place as compared to lesbians, etc. )

You would never be allowed to publish data that might hint at there being an actual difference that is gender related.

[Altair]

]The break up rate for lesbians is huge, it dwarfs the hetero-sexual divorce rate, while gay men are the stablest.

This baffles me. It flies in the face of the conventional wisdom: that male-male attraction leads to the most promiscuity, while female-female attraction leads to the least, with the promiscuous pull of the male and the nonpromiscuous pull of the female in heterosexual couples putting them somewhere in between.

But these overly broad generalizations have their limits, for sure.

[Caroline]

Granted, the lesbian and the gay numbers would be similar then, and lesbians are more accepted in this culture than gays are.

Not so sure it's so much "accepted" as more "invisible." It's far more common for physically-demonstatrative women to be assumed simply as friends, whereas guys rarely get that slack. (Setting aside the whole fetishization angle, which is rarely applied to real people who don't match porno daydreams.)