Why Runes Speak to Black People: The Kemetic Connection

[Septima]

Have you heard of anything more ridiculous in your life?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3DMA2FtZ9w

For gods sake, what's next? Odin was a black man? Afrocentrism is pure fantasy. Even the scholars and teachers that teach this crap admit it's purpose is to build racial pride and self esteem rather than provide historically accurate information. These people really get on my nerves however when they will do just about anything to try and insert themselves into history. They constantly claim that European, Arab and even Asian civilizations stole their culture and made it their own. I found myself laughing almost the entire way through the video. What an absolute joke.

[stephyjh]

You can ban me for being racist if you want, but I feel the need to express something.

The very idea that one RACE can be racist, and another cannot is one of the most racist statements that I have heard in a very long time. Either people are equal, and all treated alike or they aren't, that means no special privilege for one, and not another. Some people have the idea that to prove they aren't racist, they have to promote the interests of another race over there own. A practice or idea that is in itself racist, since it's only basis for bias is race.
Now that said, I would say that the whole Afrocentrist movement is racist. I know some one is going to tell me that they are not white therefore they can't be racist. Think before you post that. Think about how the very idea carries a racial bias and therefore is racist itself. As for my self, I don't consider myself racist, though I recognize anyone's right to be racist. What I don't like is when someone criticizes one group for being racist, and then uses nonsense to defend another groups racism. I recognize the rights of ALL races, to exist, to be proud of who their ancestors were, and if they choose to be racist.

Well, considering that the sociological definition of racism includes an element of privilege as well as privilege, I'd say your reasoning is flawed.

[Wickerman]

Well, considering that the sociological definition of racism includes an element of privilege as well as privilege, I'd say your reasoning is flawed.

So then based on the race of an individual you would accept behavior from one that you would not from another? How is that equal? What part of equality covers that statement? I must admit that I am not following logic here that condemns hatred in one man while allowing or even rewarding it in another. Some one help me understand this please. Or perhaps sociology contains some flawed logic?
OK, a broke, unemployed skinhead who hates another race, living in a rundown trailer is privileged in what way? The wealthy business owner, who is privileged, but hates no one based on race is racist in what way. To get both hatred, and privilege in the same statement you have to look at the whole race collectively, you sir are racist.

[Sage]

Stepping in to leave this here and then stepping out.

There is a difference between bigotry and racism. Bigotry is expressed by EVERYONE because people are butts and there's no two ways about it. Racism, in a sociological context - NOT a popular context the way it's used today - specifically refers to racial or ethnic based oppression that comes from a privileged group in power against an underprivileged group out of power. In this sociological sense, a member of a racial minority can be bigoted toward a member of the dominant race, but they cannot be said to be specifically racist.

There are others who work with these ideas more than me and can/will probably correct me for any mistakes I've said.

[Lokabrenna]

Some one help me understand this please. Or perhaps sociology contains some flawed logic?

The definition that Maps linked to explains it well. Racism is defined as the systemic oppression of one race (in the case of North America, anyone who isn't white). To quote from the definition: "In America (and most other parts of the world) white people have set up a system of white supremacy that puts everyone who is not white at a disadvantage."

OK, a broke, unemployed skinhead who hates another race, living in a rundown trailer is privileged in what way? The wealthy business owner, who is privileged, but hates no one based on race is racist in what way. To get both hatred, and privilege in the same statement you have to look at the whole race collectively, you sir are racist.

Just because the racist skinhead is privileged doesn't mean that he's automatically going to live an easy life, it just means that society's deck is stacked in his favour, if you will. There are also ways in which he is not privileged (by class, in your example) and these things intersect. Maybe his racist views make him a very unpleasant person to work with? I don't think it's right to call the wealthy business owner "racist", but they do benefit from racial privilege. I'm white and cis, and I wouldn't consider myself racist or cissexist, but that doesn't mean that I don't benefit from systems that reinforce white and cis privilege.

[Sage]

Just because the racist skinhead is privileged doesn't mean that he's automatically going to live an easy life, it just means that society's deck is stacked in his favour, if you will. There are also ways in which he is not privileged (by class, in your example) and these things intersect. Maybe his racist views make him a very unpleasant person to work with? I don't think it's right to call the wealthy business owner "racist", but they do benefit from racial privilege. I'm white and cis, and I wouldn't consider myself racist or cissexist, but that doesn't mean that I don't benefit from systems that reinforce white and cis privilege.

There's also the idea of intersectionality. Everyone is at some level privileged and nonprivileged. Just because I'm queer and not cis doesn't mean that my white privilege goes away. Likewise, with the aforementioned example of the white skinhead in the trailer park, his socioeconomic status (which I'm inferring from living in a trailer) doesn't mean he doesn't still have white privilege. It's a complex, messy thing.

[Wickerman]

There's also the idea of intersectionality. Everyone is at some level privileged and nonprivileged. Just because I'm queer and not cis doesn't mean that my white privilege goes away. Likewise, with the aforementioned example of the white skinhead in the trailer park, his socioeconomic status (which I'm inferring from living in a trailer) doesn't mean he doesn't still have white privilege. It's a complex, messy thing.

Indeed it is. Since in microcosms world wide virtually every race is in a place of privilege, and virtually every race is a discriminated against minority. To state that in the United States the deck is stacked against any race in today's time is a dated statement. I know of far more cases of sexual discrimination than racial discrimination. I won't quote him here, but I believe that Bill Cosby had something to say about it.
Ones own logic here can come full circle, if one considers political ideology. One might even infer that the white racist who can't get a job because of his political beliefs, is indeed a discriminated against minority and therefore can no longer be considered racist.

[Wickerman]

So then based on the race of an individual you would accept behavior from one that you would not from another? How is that equal? What part of equality covers that statement? I must admit that I am not following logic here that condemns hatred in one man while allowing or even rewarding it in another. Some one help me understand this please. Or perhaps sociology contains some flawed logic?
OK, a broke, unemployed skinhead who hates another race, living in a rundown trailer is privileged in what way? The wealthy business owner, who is privileged, but hates no one based on race is racist in what way. To get both hatred, and privilege in the same statement you have to look at the whole race collectively, you sir are racist.

It occurred to me after I posted this that you might consider that an insult. That was not my intention. I only intended to tie my argument together by pointing out that one must consider the race as a whole and therefore was making statements based on and bias by race.
I take it personally when people make derogatory statements against my race, even if they are of the same race. I believe that racial hatred is still racial hatred regardless of who it is directed against. Even if it is self hatred. You can choose if you will to not call it racism if you like. But I think that it is a trick of semantics to do so.

[Lokabrenna]

Ones own logic here can come full circle, if one considers political ideology. One might even infer that the white racist who can't get a job because of his political beliefs, is indeed a discriminated against minority and therefore can no longer be considered racist.

This doesn't make sense. If he's denied a job because of his political beliefs, that's one thing, but that doesn't change the fact that he thinks people of colour are inherently inferior to white people (nor that American society as a whole privileges white people). There are gay men who are misogynists, but the fact that they are part of a minority (in a system that privileges heterosexuals) doesn't mean they don't treat women like shit.

[Sage]

Ones own logic here can come full circle, if one considers political ideology. One might even infer that the white racist who can't get a job because of his political beliefs, is indeed a discriminated against minority and therefore can no longer be considered racist.

Eh. Racists have a right to their beliefs, and employees have a right not to work in hostile environments. Conservative values are one thing - and in my part of the US, they're practically all I see for miles and miles - and racism is another.