White Nationalists and Heathenry

[Ask-Embla]

On the other hand, skin color wasn't very important in some ancient societies -- even some western Mediterranean societies. There was discrimination in most, but it does not appear to have been based on skin color.

True. Even more recent than ancient societies, I read this great book about the Irish and how before immigration to the US, discrimination by skin color was unheard of, and all was based on nationality and class. This led a lot of early Irish immigrants to take emphatically to racism (that is of course a complete generalization), as being classified as "white" was a new, unheard of source of social power. I was over-simplifying. Still, once races began mixing, oppression was nigh...

[btb]

There seems to be a real interest in Heathenry and the Norse gods among White Nationalists and Pro-White individuals. I should mention that I am not taking about your typical trailer trash Skinhead Nazitru people either, rather your clean cut, respectable person who has White Nationalist views but is not a Nazi.

What attracts these people to Heathenry and what are your opinions on them in general?

I find it kind of strange how in Kemetic Reconstructionism, Black Afrocentric racists are often tolerated or even embraced by members of their community.

I should mention that I am not taking about your typical trailer trash Skinhead Nazitru people either, rather your clean cut, respectable person who has White Nationalist views but is not a Nazi.


trailer trash .....or....
clean cut, respectable person

[wadjet]

I should mention that I am not taking about your typical trailer trash Skinhead Nazitru people either, rather your clean cut, respectable person who has White Nationalist views but is not a Nazi.


trailer trash .....or....
clean cut, respectable person

I laughed.


White Nationalists are interested in Asatru because they are looking for something that validates their racism. Boom.

[RandallS]

White Nationalists are interested in Asatru because they are looking for something that validates their racism. Boom.

Pretty much. Anything racists can interpret as validating their racist beliefs, they use. Christian racists are known for cherry-picking verses from the Bible that they can use to validate their racism.

[btb]

I laughed.


White Nationalists are interested in Asatru because they are looking for something that validates their racism. Boom.

yeah, what you said.
But , why cant i be proud of my freckles. im not dissing anyone who doesnt have em. and it wasnt an "action" theyre just, Beautiful!!
and how lucky i am to have em. they go well with my "pale hobbit face". what a beautiful contrast my nigerian lover and i make in the hour of the kindling of candles.

hmmmm
im still stumped.
back to the original posts inquiry, comment,

whats the opposition of "typical trailer trash" to "clean cut respectable." what are those things? why is one presupposed better than the other.

to me THAT phrase seems to be a rock solid fundamental example that the problem of all isms embodies..

ok, im laughing because im not smart enough to delve as you guys can. so i am probably way out of my league in evaluating, to such depth, this issue but .....really.....
"typical trailer trash" vs. "clean cut respectable."


tammy
just a country bumpkin buttin' in

[SunflowerP]

whats the opposition of "typical trailer trash" to "clean cut respectable." what are those things? why is one presupposed better than the other.

to me THAT phrase seems to be a rock solid fundamental example that the problem of all isms embodies..

ok, im laughing because im not smart enough to delve as you guys can. so i am probably way out of my league in evaluating, to such depth, this issue but .....really.....
"typical trailer trash" vs. "clean cut respectable."

You're not wrong. That bit kind of got lost in the other stuff people were taking issue with, so it didn't get addressed, but it's definitely problematic - major classism there.

I don't give a damn how clean-cut they are, if they have White Nationalist views, they're not respectable, they're racist asshats. And I'd suggest that the main way in which they're "not Nazis" is that they're carefully avoiding a negatively-loaded label. But if it quacks like a duck, and walks like a duck, it's a duck. (Or maybe that should be, if it marches like a goose, it's a goose?) And none of that has sweet fuck all to do with whether they are low-income/low social class mobile home dwellers, or upper middle class suburbanites.

Sunflower

[RandallS]

I don't give a damn how clean-cut they are, if they have White Nationalist views, they're not respectable, they're racist asshats. And I'd suggest that the main way in which they're "not Nazis" is that they're carefully avoiding a negatively-loaded label. But if it quacks like a duck, and walks like a duck, it's a duck. (Or maybe that should be, if it marches like a goose, it's a goose?)

For the record, it is quite possible to be a white supremacist/white nationalist and not be a Nazi. Not every racist bigot is a fascist, let alone a fascist of the Nazi variety.

[ferretowner96]

There seems to be a real interest in Heathenry and the Norse gods among White Nationalists and Pro-White individuals. I should mention that I am not taking about your typical trailer trash Skinhead Nazitru people either, rather your clean cut, respectable person who has White Nationalist views but is not a Nazi.

What attracts these people to Heathenry and what are your opinions on them in general?

I find it kind of strange how in Kemetic Reconstructionism, Black Afrocentric racists are often tolerated or even embraced by members of their community.

I have many friends who are White Nationalists. A lot of them talk about Norse Gods (many wear Thors Hammer and such). It is a sign of stregnth and ancestry as many come from Aryan blood and have traced their families religion and most usually turn out to be Pagans of some sort. For them it is a heritage, but manys WNs are Christians, and Atheists but for the most part it has to do with heritage.

WNs have always been kind respective people to me. Many people have friends who are Democrats, Republicans, gays, straights and so on so please do noy get on my case about having WNs as friends. They do have strong talking points and are not at all what most believe. There are some who are radicals, but you have that in any religion or political party. None of the ones I have met have been hateful "Nazis", nor are they ignorant idiots. They have strong talking points and know a lot about what they are talking about. They arent the cross-burning white hooded people assume they are. They are super nice people preserving their heritage.
Rick

[ferretowner96]

You're not wrong. That bit kind of got lost in the other stuff people were taking issue with, so it didn't get addressed, but it's definitely problematic - major classism there.

I don't give a damn how clean-cut they are, if they have White Nationalist views, they're not respectable, they're racist asshats. And I'd suggest that the main way in which they're "not Nazis" is that they're carefully avoiding a negatively-loaded label. But if it quacks like a duck, and walks like a duck, it's a duck. (Or maybe that should be, if it marches like a goose, it's a goose?) And none of that has sweet fuck all to do with whether they are low-income/low social class mobile home dwellers, or upper middle class suburbanites.

Sunflower

I hope I am not out of place saying this but have you actually ever met a White Nationalist? They are some of the kindest most family oriented people I have met. They are hard workers and dear friends. They have their opinions as do I and I am sure you do too but we are all entitled to our opinions. Let them demonstrate. While you may not agree with it there is no need to be calling them "unrespectable asshats".

[Sage]

They are super nice people preserving their heritage.
Rick

I'm gonna grab the popcorn and have a really fun time watching how this thread plays out.