White Nationalists and Heathenry

[cigfran]

The issue is specifically that people that identify as "pro White" are invariably, at best, racial segregationists.

They are also invariably, at best, total losers. Any time I see anyone yapping about "white pride" I'm struck by what miserable specimens of "the white race" they really are, and am convinced that their alleged pride is a pitiable substitute for the merit and self-respect they so completely lack.

[Maps]

I find it kind of strange how in Kemetic Reconstructionism, Black Afrocentric racists are often tolerated or even embraced by members of their community.

Careful with that: many POC disagree with the dictionary definition of racism.

[Juniperberry]

They are also invariably, at best, total losers. Any time I see anyone yapping about "white pride" I'm struck by what miserable specimens of "the white race" they really are, and am convinced that their alleged pride is a pitiable substitute for the merit and self-respect they so completely lack.

I'm having this same tired argument with a blogger that seems otherwise intelligent. The color of your skin is NOT an accomplishment, what's there to be proud of??? Be proud of your ancestral history and their cultural achievements, but don't act like skin had anything to do with that. Celebrate the story of people, and how someone in your family helped add some good to it, but don't act like being white is the neat trick and good deed. Gah. *rolls eyes*

[Maps]

They are also invariably, at best, total losers. Any time I see anyone yapping about "white pride" I'm struck by what miserable specimens of "the white race" they really are, and am convinced that their alleged pride is a pitiable substitute for the merit and self-respect they so completely lack.

Yeah, there really is no pride to be had in the color of your skin. Pride for the accomplishments of your ancestors, your family, your traditions, and your culture, but not your skin color.

[HeartShadow]

Yeah, there really is no pride to be had in the color of your skin. Pride for the accomplishments of your ancestors, your family, your traditions, and your culture, but not your skin color.

yeah. "hooray, I burn if I walk too slowly past an open window and my ancestors managed to completely avoid melanin! OooOOoooOOO"

..... yeah. honestly, I'd've preferred a little more melanin and a bit more height, instead of coming from the tribe of the pale-face hobbits. But y'know, gotta celebrate that sunburn-ability! *snorts*

[SunflowerP]

Careful with that: many POC disagree with the dictionary definition of racism.

That link isn't the clearest description of it, but yes, that point needed bringing up.

To clarify a bit: in social justice activism, the word "racism" is used to refer to the social and cultural structures that create/reinforce racial discrimination, rather than to personal feelings of bigotry. Since the structures of Western culture reinforce discrimination against PoC, and privilege white people, it's meaningless to talk about black people's "racism" against white people (or about "reverse racism"), though it's possible for a black person to be bigoted against white people (or to have internalized racism against black people).

Or to be racist against PoC who aren't black, which seems to me to be a much more significant problem with Kemetic Afrocentrism - it erases the actual ancient Egyptians (and their modern descendants), who were/are neither black nor white. (Nor would that have been a meaningful distinction in AE; black/white is a modern sociocultural construct.)

Sunflower

[caelestisraven]

yeah. "hooray, I burn if I walk too slowly past an open window and my ancestors managed to completely avoid melanin! OooOOoooOOO"

..... yeah. honestly, I'd've preferred a little more melanin and a bit more height, instead of coming from the tribe of the pale-face hobbits. But y'know, gotta celebrate that sunburn-ability! *snorts*

lmao. you almost had me spitting water all over my keyboard reading that

[Nature]

The color of your skin is NOT an accomplishment, what's there to be proud of??? Be proud of your ancestral history and their cultural achievements, but don't act like skin had anything to do with that. Celebrate the story of people, and how someone in your family helped add some good to it, but don't act like being white is the neat trick and good deed. Gah. *rolls eyes*

I visited Red Pride, Brown Pride and White Pride websites out of curiosity a few years ago. I got the impression that most of them would agree with those of you who say skin color is of little consequence. I mean if it mattered then you would see White Pride people avoiding sun tans which would be ridiculous.

Skin color is kind of like the emblem on a Toyota. The emblem is cheap plastic and really worthless. But if it is on a Toyota car, the emblem can tell you it's a well made car.

Skin is sort of like an emblem. The emblem sometimes (not always) can tell you a bit about the colorful history of the ancestry behind the person who wears it. It is up to the person viewing the skin color as to how to interpret, view, judge, not judge, that skin color.

Skin color and bone structure per se isn't important in itself.

[Ask-Embla]

I don't mind if someone is proud that he is a pure blooded White man. Or if he's proud he's a Mexican. We all have something to be proud of in our ancestors.

I respect someone more who is proud of ancestry and heritage than someone who is not.

So yeah, I have nothing against proud White people.

No no no. Okay, instead of explaining how I think that people are asshats and why, and ignoring the obviously racist, I'll just share my opinion on how I think the world should be run.

Today's society is mixed. We all know lots of people from lots of different backgrounds and ethnicities. That seems like no big deal, but way back when, it wasn't so weird to be born and die without ever seeing someone who wasn't your skin color. But when these people started mixing, DRAMA. And by "drama," I mean really terrible violence, abuse, and oppression. In western society, this is mostly dominated by the whites shoving down people of other colors, primarily blacks. In another universe, maybe it went another way. But it didn't. (It bears mentioning that back then this kind of mindless prejudice was shown not only towards race, but gender and nationality. In today's western society, at least in the US, gender and race are still huge glaring issues, while nationalism is less-so, because everyone is so mixed. It's shrug worthy.)

So what do we do today? We want these social stigmas gone, but unfortunately a lot of our modern society was built on the backs of these cruel fundamentals, and as much as we want to wish them away, ignoring them just breeds more racism. (http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2010/02...e-racist-kids/) Then there are the TOTAL asshats (I knew I said I wouldn't mention them, but...) who pretend there was never an issue at all, and there sure as hell isn't one now. To them I say, um, excuse me bitch, in my grandfather's lifetime, black citizens of the united states weren't allowed to vote. Don't tell me that's not a problem, and don't you dare tell me that we've actually fixed things since then. Puh-lease.

So what DO we do? Well, if you're white, it means doing the best thing you can, recognizing the above. ACTIVELY remind yourself of what has been done in the past, what your society is built on, what presences are in your society today, and what race really means. It means recognizing that people will treat you differently if you are white versus if you are black. It means realizing that there is social stigma giving you a leg up if you are white, and a shove down if you are black, all while the general public pretends that the problem was solved in the 60s.

Being white, and not being racist, means "checking your privilege." It means recognizing what you have, and how you got there, and how bullshit that is. So if you are white, you can be proud, you can be ashamed, whatever. It's no one's but you and your therapists business, but you had better sure as hell be recognizing that race problems are RELEVANT in every day society, and because of knee-jerk reactions hundreds of years ago, you're pretty much a shit person unless you're lending a hand to clean up this mess.

So if you're a white person, don't throw a fucking parade. Just don't. Maybe you're happy your ancestors came from Norway or some shit, but do you know what that parade says to the world? It says "Ha ha ha, we're given better opportunities in society. Watch us gloat." So don't go celebrating your whiteness. Celebrate your Norwegian heritage. That's something to be proud of, not your skin color.

[RandallS]

Today's society is mixed. We all know lots of people from lots of different backgrounds and ethnicities. That seems like no big deal, but way back when, it wasn't so weird to be born and die without ever seeing someone who wasn't your skin color. But when these people started mixing, DRAMA. And by "drama," I mean really terrible violence, abuse, and oppression.

On the other hand, skin color wasn't very important in some ancient societies -- even some western Mediterranean societies. There was discrimination in most, but it does not appear to have been based on skin color.