Woman Executed in Saudi Arabia for "Witchcraft"

[sailor]

That ties into something I read that I think is very accurate and highly enlightening about many Islamic cultures: that they're "shame" cultures, vs. Western "guilt" cultures. In the West, it's not so much whether you do something that others perceive as wrong, but rather whether you feel guilty about it, that guides behavior. In shame cultures, as long as the proscribed behavior remains private, it's OK; but if knowledge of these acts become public, the judgment of society is swift and merciless.

So in Saudi Arabia watching racy American movies on the sly is fine, but such movies will not be permitted openly in theaters. I hear that in much of the Arab world, folks have well-stocked liquor cabinets tucked away in the privacy of their home, even though alcohol is forbidden by law; but public outlets for drinking--a liquor store or bar--are out of the question.

Goes a long way towards explaining where "honor killings" and such crap comes from.

Someone smack me down if I'm wrong or oversimplifying.

Catja can probably explain it better but, ...

In a shame culture, to use your alcohol example, a person's son drinking in private can feel no guilt or shame if nobody outside the immediate family would know about it. They have done nothing wrong so long as nobody else knows about.

If somebody outside the family found out about it, they would have to punish the son (or kill the daughter) for bringing shame. If it was another family's child, they'd have no problem helping to punish the other kid, even if their child got rip roaring drunk in private every night.

In the West, ie guilt cultures, they would feel guilty for having broken the mores.


http://drsanity.blogspot.com/2005/08...and-islam.html

pretty good little chart showing how people react in each culture to accusations of breaking mores.

[Skyth]

http://drsanity.blogspot.com/2005/08...and-islam.html

pretty good little chart showing how people react in each culture to accusations of breaking mores.

The page seems a little biased against Islam/Arabs. Though maybe the advertisement to never forget what arabs did to us lead me to that...

[Altair]

The page seems a little biased against Islam/Arabs. Though maybe the advertisement to never forget what arabs did to us lead me to that...

Oh, the irony! The ad that popped up in the middle of your post, Skyth, was for Lowe's Home Improvement--which at the moment is justifiably getting its butt kicked in the court of public opinion for anti-Muslim bigotry!

Lowe's recently kowtowwed to pressure from a right-wing fringe group by pulling its ads from a show called All-American Muslim (a reality show that the fringe group is protesting because it portrays Muslim Americans positively, which the fringe group says isn't accurate!)

[SatSekhem]

I'm very grateful as a woman to not have had the misfortune of being born in a repressive country.

This.

[Juniperberry]

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I read in the news that this was an extreme punishment for the charge, but that the government is using those charges to punish hidden crimes ie; freedom of speech issues.

[RandallS]

Lowe's recently kowtowwed to pressure from a right-wing fringe group by pulling its ads from a show called All-American Muslim (a reality show that the fringe group is protesting because it portrays Muslim Americans positively, which the fringe group says isn't accurate!)

My opinion of Lowe's sank when heard this. Apparently they would rather support some group of religious bigots hiding behind their religion instead of the freedom of religion this country is supposed to stand for. It looks like Home Depot will be getting our home improvement dollars even though the closest Home depot isn't that nice a store.

[Nyktipolos]

Oh, the irony! The ad that popped up in the middle of your post, Skyth, was for Lowe's Home Improvement--which at the moment is justifiably getting its butt kicked in the court of public opinion for anti-Muslim bigotry!

Lowe's recently kowtowwed to pressure from a right-wing fringe group by pulling its ads from a show called All-American Muslim (a reality show that the fringe group is protesting because it portrays Muslim Americans positively, which the fringe group says isn't accurate!)

It's not just Lowe's either. Here's a full list of companies, so far, that have pulled out as well.

[sailor]

My opinion of Lowe's sank when heard this. Apparently they would rather support some group of religious bigots hiding behind their religion instead of the freedom of religion this country is supposed to stand for. It looks like Home Depot will be getting our home improvement dollars even though the closest Home depot isn't that nice a store.

Well, looks like things are getting worse.

A Michigan state senator is looking at legislative action against Lowe's for pulling ads.

And Kayak.com has pulled their ads and issued a press release:
Basically Kayak thought the show sucked and TLC lied about the initial proposal. From the looks of it, TLC will be out of a Lot of ads if it's true about the proposal. Companies hate being slammed for ads placed or pulled, so much easier to decline ads from anyplace that isn't seen to be 100% up front.

http://www.businessinsider.com/kayak...sucked-2011-12

[sailor]

It's not just Lowe's either. Here's a full list of companies, so far, that have pulled out as well.

Going to have to look for a cite, but thought I saw that Home Depot had only signed up for one or two episodes of ads. So, not pulled, but instead they did not extend their commitment.

[Nyktipolos]

Going to have to look for a cite, but thought I saw that Home Depot had only signed up for one or two episodes of ads. So, not pulled, but instead they did not extend their commitment.

Went and found a better list, as it were: http://theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php...muslim/0018896

To quote the actual page:

Here is a list of companies that they claim to have succeeded in convincing to cancel their advertising based on this bigoted, hateful, anti-Muslim reasoning: Note: MPAC has now posted the list of the companies listed above that the FFA claims have caved to pressure. The MPAC list has entered the url’s for the websites of each of these companies, so that all you have to do is click on the name of a company, and then go to the “contact us” section to send them a message. Thanks MPAC!

So from what I understand.. this list was made by the FFA who claim these are the companies they pressured to pull their advertising (assuming they didn't lie to make the list seem bigger). The addition of "(claims they are misrepresented") was added by MPAC, I believe (which seems to imply they have pulled their advertising, for those specific ones, for whatever reason they claim, and were not falsely added).