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4 Jul 2011 06:05 PM #1Apprentice

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Deism, theism, panentheism, combinations thereof?
I know there are definitely polytheists and pantheists (and panentheists) around the forum, but is there anyone who combines these kinds of philosophies? How do you reconcile the two (or more)?
Myself, I'm a deist + hard polytheist - I think the world was created by Someone so big and remote that They are impersonal and that They aren't interested in small existences like individual humans. The Greek gods, YHWH, Coyote, etc all occupy a space between that Someone and humans, are created and/or evolved, depending - and because they're close to humanity, they're more approachable & can take an interest in individual people.
Anyone else?
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Re: Deism, theism, panentheism, combinations thereof?
A bit of pantheism with hard polytheism. I believe in a universal energy of sorts that ties everything together - a bit like the Dao, actually - but it's nonsentient and not a person in any sense. I believe in many different gods, but none of them are omnipotent, omniscient, etc. They've got a role to play in the universe, the same as humans and rock and dark matter. It's all part of the Great Circle of Life! :D
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Re: Deism, theism, panentheism, combinations thereof?
Pantheist and hard polytheist - there is what Is - the Divine, the Universe, whatever. Be it mechanistic or spiritual (I believe it's spiritual, but) it IS and that's what we have to work with.
polytheist because, well, gods exist and talk to me and it's easier than being crazy. :P .... or at least gets the crazy question out of the way and gives me time to do other stuff.
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Re: Deism, theism, panentheism, combinations thereof?
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5 Jul 2011 10:24 AM #5Journeyman


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Re: Deism, theism, panentheism, combinations thereof?
I suppose I'm a bit of an agnostic, while I'm at it. It could all be in my head, and I don't think that spiritual experiences for me are necessarily indicative of wider universal workings. (Then again... I don't believe in universal deities, so it's not too much of an issue.)
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Re: Deism, theism, panentheism, combinations thereof?
I posted about this on the old board a while ago... here's what I said. :P
I consider myself a panentheist and polytheist. I guess the panentheist part of me is the Taoist part... I see divinity, or divine energy, in everything and beyond everything: the best name I have for this is Tao. It's not personified or self-aware.
Then I see the gods as the aware/personified part of that divine energy. This aware divinity may be connected to something physical or be beyond it (wait, or both?!... lol.). Although I hesitate to say I see the gods as the aware manifestation of Tao, that's kind of the best way I have to explain it. Hope that makes sense."Silent and thoughtful a prince's son should be / and bold in fighting; / cheerful and merry every man should be / until he waits for death." ~ Havamal, stanza 15
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Re: Deism, theism, panentheism, combinations thereof?
I'm most definitely a pantheist: a naturalistic pantheist to be exact.
I'm not sure where I stand on individual gods/goddesses, though. I believe that there could be gods/goddesses -- non-omnipotent ones that didn't create the universe, of course :P -- but I don't whether I believe they were created because they were worshipped and are "just" aspects moulded by human thought, or were created as non-physical entities with the universe (or evolved as such or something) and were worshipped because they existed and had power, if that makes sense.
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Re: Deism, theism, panentheism, combinations thereof?
Mostly where I'm at, though without the atheism (though they hold a special place in my heart).
Where we might differ is in sentience. I think that, to the extent that our universe is sentient (and that word may be too limited to describe it), we're it. For example, I personify the Earth as a real, manifest goddess, and we human beings are vaguely equivalent to her brain cells. Collectively we are her mind: our history = Her memory, our cultures = the facets of Her personality.
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Re: Deism, theism, panentheism, combinations thereof?
Like you, I'm a panentheist and polytheist. The difference for me is that the panentheist part (which I refer to as God, in spite of the term's connotations) is not personified or self-aware as we understand the term. However, I believe God is fully self-aware in a way which I can't possibly fathom. To use the human body analogy, how can a blood cell understand the self-awareness of the human being of which it is a part?
I know I'm part of something much greater than myself, but I'm trying my best to just do and be a good blood cell, knowing that I am a part of God and the god/desses are just different, possibly more manifest parts, of God.
And as a panentheist, I believe that God, like myself, is more than the sum of its parts.
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